Raptor 700 vs YFZ450

[Taz14racer]

One of my friends says a YFZ will smoke a Raptor700 is it ture? and wat is the top end on both in stock form?





SUZUKI Z400
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(soon 2 come 450R shocks!)

[Blue_Streak23]

I think it would be a very close race! The closest drag I have heard about was a kid I know who bored his YFZ to a 480, vs. a stock 700R. Of course, the 480 YFZ blew the doors off the 700R.

[Capt_ron]

i have not raced a 450 but have run my 700 with a couple of freinds with equal mods and had no problems runing with them. the raptor is vary fast and from what i have heard the rider make the bigest difence in a drag. in a couple weeks when my wrist is healed and i can ride again maybe ill get a cance to race them (broke it landing a doudle earlyer this year).

[DieselBoy]

what's with these dumb threads....

[Blue_Streak23]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
what's with these dumb threads....

???????????????????????????...

>>>He's just asking a question!

[Taz14racer]

Hey Diseal Boy shouldnt u be ridding ur little 400ex???

[CHEVYZ]

Originally posted by Taz14racer
Hey Diseal Boy shouldnt u be ridding ur little 400ex??? .... and you have a Z400?:p

[Blue_Streak23]

Originally posted by Taz14racer
Hey Diseal Boy shouldnt u be ridding ur little 400ex???

OUCH!:D

[Blue_Streak23]

Originally posted by CHEVYZ
.... and you have a Z400?:p

Hey, it would probably beat an EX! I'm not tring to dis' anyone though.

[raptor brothers]

I love these threads!I am totally sure stock for stock the 700r will win.I just got back from my dads farm were we have a two lane drag about 1/4 mile long.I raced my brothers stock 04 YFZ 450 over 25 time & won every time + he is 185# & I'm 250#.My buddy has a 04 YFZ 450 with a high flow filter no lid,full pipe & jetted.He is 210# & I can't beat him.We raced over 20 times before I conceded.What a difference the pipe & jetting makes on the 450.

[DieselBoy]

QUOTE: One of my friends says a YFZ will smoke a Raptor700 is it ture

His friend SAYS a yfz will smoke a raptor 700. He's ASKING if it's true.

Do you realize what factors into winning? ALOT. Not just the bike.
There's no YES OR NO whether they will or will not win. A well experienced good rider can win REGARDLESS which machine he or she is on.

[raptor brothers]

Come on DieselBoy.There is so much more to ATVing than drags.Trails & MX tracks are way more dependent on rider experience.Drags are a joke for rider experience.Who can't shift through the gears with a few hour experience?In drags your bike makes all the difference.All the people I race have lots of experience.I could coach someone for a few hours on my 700, that has never road a quad & he would smoke your 400 Know matter how much experience you have.

[DieselBoy]

Doutbful....rider experience is important.

[Taz14racer]

Chevy boy i on my Z all i have is a pipe and
i beat a 400 with a 416 kit and a HMF he also has a wiesco piston.
I beat him by a quad length! SO i no that 400ex is little.

sides wat do u have



Also in a drag it dosent take hardly any skills watch the lights and no how to shift is bout it!

[CHEVYZ]

LMAO, as far as quads, I have a 05 and 06 450r and a 440EX.

I felt it funny that you would dis a 400EX when you have a Z. Not a whole lot of difference, and personally, even when my bike was almost stock I was beating Z 400s with similar mods. Besides, who is to say how something runs. There is a guy with a 440 out here who thinks he is fast. Needless to say I can toy with him. Having the right set-up is what it is all about, and we must remeber that not all bikes run the same.

As far as drag racing, no, it doesn't always work out that way. Yes, anyone with little experience could go out and race. However, that doesn't mean a thing on how well they will do. I can remember back when I was beating Raptors on my 400EX without a problem. Why? Because I could ride my bike better. I know their bike was faster, I am not stupid. But that sure as heck must not have meant the world becuase they were still viewing my 400's rear end.:blah:

[Taz14racer]

Okay heres the differences for

Z on the Right

EX on the Left



Engine 4-stroke, single cylinder, DOHC, 4-valve, TSCC RFVC dry-sump single-cylinder four-stroke

Displacement 398 cc 397 cc

Bore x Stroke 90.0 mm x 62.6 mm 85.0 mm x 70.0 mm

Compression Ratio 11.3:1

Carburetion Mikuni BSR36 38.0 accelerator pump

Cooling Liquid-cooled Air

Transmission 5-speed with reverse 5-speed with reverse

Final Drive #520 chain O-ring-sealed chain

Lubrication Dry sump

Ignition Digital / transistorized CD with electronic advance

Suspension Front: Independent, double a-arm, fully adjustable preload, compression & rebound damping; 8.5 in. travel
Rear: Linkage-type, gas / oil-damped, fully adjustable spring preload, adjustable compression & rebound damping; 9.1 in. travel Front: Independent double-wishbone w/Showa shocks, 5-position spring-preload adj.; 8.2 in. travel
Rear: Pro-Link fully adj. single Showa shock; 9.1 in. travel

Brakes

Front: Dual hydraulic discs Front: Dual hydraulic 174.0 mm discs

Rear: Single hydraulic disc


Tires Front: AT 22 x 7-10 Front: 22 x 7-10 knobby radial

Rear: AT 20 x 10-9 Rear: 20 x 10-9 knobby radial


Length : 72.0 in. (1830 mm) 72.2 in.

Width : 45.9 in. (1165 mm) 45.3 in.

Height : 45.7 in. (1160 mm) 43.7 in.

Wheelbase : 49.0 in. (1245 mm) 48.4 in.

Seat Height: 31.9 in. (810 mm) 31.9 in.

Ground Clearance : 10.4 in. (265 mm) 4.3 in.

Dry Weight: 372.0 lbs. (169 kg) 386 lbs.

Fuel Capacity: 2.6 gal. (10 l) 2.6 gal., including 0.4 gal. reserve

Colors : Yellow, White Red, Black



Do i hear ah BURN!!! :devil:

Oh ya i think u still alseep when u were racing the raptor and the Z!!!!!

[CHEVYZ]

I meant as far as speed.:rolleyes:
You can think I was still a sleep when I raced those quads. The bottom line is that you were not there just the same as I was not there when you raced the EX. Who cares anyway? I doubt we can settle anything over the internet.

Sorry for jacking the thread over something so stupid. I am not gonna argue over beating a Z400. I have better things to race... uhh, I mean do.;)

[Taz14racer]

:rolleyes: Well Golly Jeezes Wilikers:rolleyes:


i didnt relize u meant top end....oops..:p ......




P.S. u should read ur profile...It says ur a Pro racer.....


......while in ur dreams......



Peace:cool:

[250r4life]

Originally posted by Taz14racer
Hey Diseal Boy shouldnt u be ridding ur little 400ex???

ha ha ha ... thats awesome... :devil:

[250r4life]

Originally posted by CHEVYZ
.... and you have a Z400?:p

ha ha ha... almost as good... :devil:

[250r4life]

as far as dragging, the yfz vs the 700, stock against stock, ASSUMING ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL (ability, weight, etc...) the YFZ will win. and obviously we are talking about acceleration and quickness, not top speed... i couldnt tell ya but who cares about topped out...

and, i disagree about the whole dragging thing not requiring skill... there is a lot mroe that goes into dragging then you think... the launch if obviously one of the biggest, as well as good coordination to shift at the right time and quickly, as to stay in the powerband and make sure that next gear grabs hard... i was loving it at the dunes a month or so ago, when i was on my buddies 03 stock raptor, with a K&N and the baffle removed, and a 12 tooth up front, and i was beating several piped raptors and a 450r up the hill... granted there are whoops involved, so that maginifies rider ability a bit more as well. but rider ability always has an affect, only some environments magnify that affect more than others

[450Rchaser]

My friend josh that I ride w/ ran a 9.36 last night at Union Hill. he smoked the new Suzuki Ltr 450. It was actually quite embarassing to the guy on the Suzuki.

[raptor brothers]

250r4life,what are you basing your statement on since you don't own either one?Do you have alot of seat time on the 700?As far as drags I was assuming a flat dirt drag.Not a sand hill climb were tires make a big differance.I can honestly say I don't know about the 06 YFZ 450's(true 450) since I've never raced one,but I've raced many 04 YFZ 450's.My 660 didn't hold up against them,but the 700 is a hole different story.

[250r4life]

QUOTE]Originally posted by raptor brothers
250r4life,what are you basing your statement on since you don't own either one?Do you have alot of seat time on the 700?As far as drags I was assuming a flat dirt drag.Not a sand hill climb were tires make a big differance.I can honestly say I don't know about the 06 YFZ 450's(true 450) since I've never raced one,but I've raced many 04 YFZ 450's.My 660 didn't hold up against them,but the 700 is a hole different story. [/QUOTE]

i find it interesting that you question my statement becuase i do not own either of them... to me, it would be logical that the fact that i do not own either would strengthen my statements and give more basis to them, as i would not be partial to either machine... i have a hard time beleiving a lot of guys who toot their own horn about their own bikes... heck, there is a guy in the 250r forum right now saying his stock engined 250r was beating or keeping up with piped and cammed 450s... im not buying it... i know better than that... its unfortunate that there is too much dishonesty and lack of maturety on these forums that you cant trust a lot of what is written... there are only a handfull of guys on here that i give basis to anything they say, and most of those guys never talk about beating people... anyhow... now that ive gone off on a tangent...

my basis comes from hours of riding the machines, or riding against them. or, simply observing the races... hours and hours... my buddy that i ride the most with has a 06 yfz 450, and two other good riding buddies have 06 raptors...

i have no objective in posting on this particular post except for to state what i know to be true and factual, not tooting my own machine's horn...

[DieselBoy]

LIFE GOES ON

[raptor brothers]

250r4life,I guess I'm stating what I know to be true & factual to.I'm not sure if you caught the part about me loosing over & over to my buddies piped & jetted 04 YFZ 450.I can admit when I'm beat,I have nothing to gain by lying.As far as not tooting your own machine's horn,come on I've read many of your posts.

[250r4life]

no, i caught your part about losing, and i wasnt accusing you of being one of those "horn tooters" with the "i won" claim no matter what they raced... i was referring to your questioning of me, as well as all the people out here that because they own the particular bike, say it is faster.

and no, i wouldnt say i toot the horn of the 250r. i may toot my own horn, but i do not make false claims about my bikes speed. they're are plenty of bikes that are faster than my bike, but there arent too many that beat me... an 06 yfz with a pipe, filter, and cam is a little faster than my bike... is its rider better than i- thats a different story...

my 250r when it had the stock engine, a pipe filter, and rad valve, was pretty equivalent to a piped and filtered raptor with a 12 tooth up front...

an 06 yfz with a filter and the baffle taken out, would be faster than my bike when it was just piped and filtered...

and one last thing.. i dont BS on here... check my consistency... just like earlier on this post when i was talking about beating people on a stock raptor, it was on a dune trip like the end of Feb or beginning of Mar- go check my posts and you'll find the exact same thing back then...

ok, really the last thing... i have yet to be beaten by a 700r, but have had a handfull of 450s hand me my butt

[MAaudioX10]

The 700R's are very impressive machines. This coming from a Predator owner. In stock form, the 06 700r isn't all that impressive but, once that pipe and filter are installed, it is like a shot of NOS to these machines.

I have done EXTENSIVE drag racing against a 700R, buddy owns one. Also, have a buddy with an 06' YFZ450, piped and filtered.

Now, I own an 05' Pred. 558 big bore, vortex cdi, full system exhaust, twin air clamp on filter, modified carb, lightened flywheel, and hinson clutch basket. All in all, I have about 11,000+ in my Pred. I can't even beat the 700r in a drag race. I managed to beat it out 1 time by a nose....literally, photo finish. That was 1 time out of 50.

Those things just straight RIP out of the hole. We both will do 2nd gear starts but, he jumps to an early lead, about 1/2 quad, and that is where he stays. NO more, NO less....

Now, this is where it gets interesting. The guy on the YFZ, when he races the 700r, gets the same results. Beat by 1/2 quad. Here is the interesting part, when riders switch machines, the YFZ450 destroys the 700r. So, it is 90% rider..10% machine.

Sadly, I had to dump about $1500 into bolt ons and motor mods to keep up with these 06' yamaha's in a drag race. Still love my Pred, don't get me wrong...but, consider this your genuine unbias opinion.

Now, I'll let you kids get back to bashing each others quads....

[Mud Roost]

yamaha sure has it going on.. love their new machines

[450Rchaser]

Ride red always though

[MaxxRPM]

Originally posted by 250r4life
ok, really the last thing... i have yet to be beaten by a 700r, but have had a handfull of 450s hand me my butt

Really?.......You've lost to some 450s but never a 700R? I'm not doubting you but I do find that interesting. Have you raced many 700s?..........Were the 450s heavily modified?

[MaxxRPM]

Originally posted by MAaudioX10
Now, this is where it gets interesting. The guy on the YFZ, when he races the 700r, gets the same results. Beat by 1/2 quad. Here is the interesting part, when riders switch machines, the YFZ450 destroys the 700r. So, it is 90% rider..10% machine.

Its actually harder to drag race the 700R than it is a YFZ. The shift points are a little tricky.
Btw, have you tried a lower gear on your Preddy?

[raptor brothers]

MaxxRPM,have you noticed the 700 is alot quicker when you short shift it.It's really wierd because my old 660 liked to be revved out before shifting.The 700 seems to thrive when I shift early.

[MAaudioX10]

Originally posted by MaxxRPM
Its actually harder to drag race the 700R than it is a YFZ. The shift points are a little tricky.
Btw, have you tried a lower gear on your Preddy?

I've gone up 1 tooth in the rear and it helps. I just don't have the torque these 700's do. They kinda sign off early, 700r, but...low to high-mids, is wicked!

The time I did beat it, I got him out of the hole and, I pulled him on the top end. The only place I make more power. Just isn't enough to play catchup if I am behind.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by MaxxRPM
Really?.......You've lost to some 450s but never a 700R? I'm not doubting you but I do find that interesting. Have you raced many 700s?..........Were the 450s heavily modified?

i've raced several 700s... granted not as many 700s as i have 450s, but then again, there arent as many 700s out there...

usually it takes a 450 with at least a cam to beat me (besides the normal pipe, filter, jet, etc... )... and that all depends on the rider... i dont know what you consider heavily modded...

i will say probably the fastet non-drag bike ive ever seen was an 05 yfz 450.. he had a 470 kit in it, with all the other bull crap, and it was this skinny like 130 lb kid, and man he would just toy with everyone... this thing was crazy fast... he'd wait at the end of the whoops for everyone, and then start and catch them up the hill...

[DieselBoy]

Okay........

[250r4life]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Okay........

hey, i thought you were told to go ride your little girl 400ex several days ago... boy, you better do like you're told before you get grounded or i have to take a belt to your backside... :devil:

[450Rchaser]

Come on guys Honda shouldn't be hatin on Honda. Can't we all just have a beer a beat ever other atv known to man.

[Blue_Streak23]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Come on guys Honda shouldn't be hatin on Honda. Can't we all just have a beer a beat ever other atv known to man.

HAHAHA...probably not. If you want to do that, buy something other than a Honda!:D

[450Rchaser]

Man come on, I'll take that 660 raptor out. You've probably had more transmission then I have oil changes.

[450Rchaser]

Just checkout the dyno testing forum. Thread 250r's forever. Man can a 20yr. old anything put up some #'s like that.

[DieselBoy]

250r's are 2 stroke, it's silly to compare them to the fourstrokes

[450Rchaser]

There really only about 2 or 3 wicked 2 stroke 4 wheelrs. Dirt bike are a different story. The 4 stroke is pretty nasty.

[Blue_Streak23]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Man come on, I'll take that 660 raptor out. You've probably had more transmission then I have oil changes.

Don't bite something you can't chew. That little 416 must be a cute thing to ride!:devil:

[MaxxRPM]

There's no way in hell thats a dyno from a 416EX.......I have to call major BS on that one!..........:grr:

[450Rchaser]

That's a dyno from a 481ex.. That was from the tail end of the talk about 2 strokes.

Man if you think that Raptor will bring it out. I know what mine will do against a '05 660. It's the same thing it will do to yours. More cc's doesn't mean anything to me.

[MaxxRPM]

LOL!!!!!!:D
Now a 400EX can beat my 700R?.........:D
OMG!........YOU LOST YOUR FRICKEN MIND!!!!!!!!!!:D
If you ever wake up from your dream, have a nice day! ;)

[450Rchaser]

Where did a 700 Raptor come into the conversation at. My boy joy has one. There strong thru the gears but no top end.We run the mph's in an 1/8 but his time is faster.

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Where did a 700 Raptor come into the conversation at. My boy joy has one. There strong thru the gears but no top end.We run the mph's in an 1/8 but his time is faster.

What???

My question is where did your 400ex come into the picture? Take a look at the thread title. Read first, then post...

[450Rchaser]

Sorry i forgot this is the thread for guys w/o any balls. I mean (YAMAHA Riders)

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Sorry i forgot this is the thread for guys w/o any balls. I mean (YAMAHA Riders)

C'mon man, you dont have the bike to call out other honda riders, let alone raptors.

Anyone can ride an underpowered well balanced 400ex with an ancient but reliable engine and great handling. It takes someone with balls to ride a skinny, top heavy, overpowered, suspension bottoming raptor.

[250r4life]

lol- you're on your own in this one dude...

1st- i'm not a honda guy, i'm a "awesome atv guy." yah i think the 250r is an incredible machine and honda made it way ahead of its time, and its results can't be argued with... but the yfz is a bad machine as well, and the raptor, wanted and used for the right purpose, is a great bike as well... 450 against 450- i'll take the yamaha every day of the week... having gotten that out of the way...

i dont give too much respect to anybody that rides a 400ex, in fact thats a big joke in our riding group- we always clown on 400s and the "bad boys" that ride them...

and, i doubt that even your 416 would beat a raptor 660.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Sorry i forgot this is the thread for guys w/o any balls. I mean (YAMAHA Riders)

if in actuality any of these raptor owners indeed were ball-less, riding a quad that is "ball-less" comes in not too far behind them... in your defense you can always buy a more respectable quad, but they would always remain without balls... but for the time being you still would need to remain quiet...

my neighbor actually just went and bought several quads- two of which are 400exs... course, he has all daughters too, but...

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by 450Rchaser
Sorry i forgot this is the thread for guys w/o any balls. I mean (YAMAHA Riders)

that's a real ignorant, bone head stupid thing to say. If you do ride a 400ex, you have NO room to talk.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by MadDog56
What???

My question is where did your 400ex come into the picture? Take a look at the thread title. Read first, then post...

Exactly what I was thinking.

[450rJam]

drag racing 06 450r (hrc)
vs 06 700 (stock)
vs 2000 banshee (piped,ported,pistons,jets,filter,no box)
vs 416ex (ported,cam,piston,k/n,piped)

the banshee won everytime, about 1/2 to 1 1/2 infront of the 450r
the 416 was 4 or so behind the r
the 700 was bringing up the rear a couple behind the 416

after 6 or 8 drags we couldnt believe the 416 (also had really bald tires) was smoking the 700 so we started asking the 700 rider about what he was doing. he was starting in 1st and said he couldnt hear when to shift because the 416 was so loud right beside/infront of him.
he then lined up on far side away from the ex and started roasting the tires with 2nd gear starts and short shifting it to use the torque and not run out of the gear.
another 5 or so drags all resulted with the 416 in back the banshee still winning and the 450r about 2 infront of the 700.

these are all on dirt (and pretty ruff at 1/2 track)
the guy on the 416 was the lightest and pretty good rider.

[MaxxRPM]

Originally posted by 250r4life
if in actuality any of these raptor owners indeed were ball-less, riding a quad that is "ball-less" comes in not too far behind them... in your defense you can always buy a more respectable quad, but they would always remain without balls...

Ball-less?............Your the one saying you had problems with "some" 450s..........I can't say the same..........so you were saying what quads are ball-less?............:confused:

[250r4life]

easy buddy- i was talking to the 400 ex guy- saying he rode a "ball-less" quad... i was commenting on him calling ya'll ball-less, i was not agreeing.. however, easy before you start talking big cuz i admitted to having been beaten by a few 450s... like ive said- ive yet to be beaten by a 700r...

[MaxxRPM]

My bad...........but your post was confusing.
.........Anyway, it really don't matter to me cause all this 700 hating/bashing sure as heck ain't going to make mine any slower.............See you guys out on the strip!......;)

[raptor734r]

i have a friend with a 06 yfz with gytr exhuast and i have a raptor 700 with a hmf full system uni filter trinity racing big bore efi controller and some other little things but right know ill beat him but before i had the big bore he would beat me in a short run. know i just keep up with him entile i get in 4th, his 5th, then i start to pull away. ill blow him away when i get my tooth down though.

[450rJam]

I would hope you could keep up with 700+bigbore+pipe,etc.
he has a pipe?

[450Rchaser]

Who needs a big bore. i ride w/ a guy who has a 700Raptor. No big bore kit is needed to keep up/ pass him. There not all that.

Your friend is right the YFZ goes about 75mph and the rappy goes about 70mph but speed does'nt matter it's the skill of the rider.

[450Rchaser]

My friends Raptor 700 ran a 9.22@69.26 mph at the strip last night. Think a 450 will beat that.

[DieselBoy]

assuming your on a track/trail the actual top speed of the motor isn't going to help you at all. The skill between you and the other rider and riding habbits will determine the winner, it's got nothing to do with the guts of the engine or transmission, I've seen good rider's beat guy's on big bikes with a small one like NO PROBLEM.

[seraptor700]

dang you all sure do talk alot. i have raced an 04 and 06 yfz raced both of them seperate and at the same time. they jump on the start but after 3rd gear they are eating dust. the 700r is unstoppable. i would recommend the 700 to anyone. i have had mine now for 4 months and its unstoppable. i'm waiting on the trinity big bore kit. hoepfully that will make it one of a kind.